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>>> PRESIDENT TRUMP AGAIN MAKING single-serve Mix-in Pax.
>>> PRESIDENT TRUMP AGAIN MAKING IT A POINT OF ATTACKING
PROMINENT BLACK AMERICANS.
HE’S JUST IMPUGNED THE
INTELLIGENCE OF LeBRON JAMES AND
DON LEMON, WHICH ECHOES THE WAY
HE SINGLED OUT THE IQ OF
CONGRESSWOMAN MAXINE WATERS OR
THE ACADEMIC CREDENTIALS OF
BARACK OBAMA, ATTACKS ON THE
ANNIVERSARY OF THE RALLIES THAT
TRUMP DEFENDED.
TRUMP DEFENDED. WE HAVE A SPECIAL CONVERSATION
WITH TWO POLITICAL ANALYSTS WITH
OPPOSING VIE
OPPOSING VIE OPPOSING VIEWS ON TRUMP’S
APPROACH TO RACE.
DONALD TRUMP’S VIEWS AND
RHETORIC ON RACE, WE SHOULD
NOTE, ARE NOT ORIGINAL.
THE MANHATTAN MEDIA MOWINGGUL IS
KNOWN FOR ECHOING OTHER CULTURE
WARRIORS.
WARRIORS. REAGAN’S SLOGAN MAKE AMERICA
GREAT BEGAN, AND BUCHANAN WHO
RAN ON A PROGRAM OF TAKING BACK
THE CULTURE FROM IMMIGRANTS AND
MINORITIES.
MINORITIES. >> BLOCK BY BLOCK, MY FRIENDS,
WE MUST TAKE BACK OUR CITIES AND
TAKE BACK OUR CULTURE, AND TAKE
BACK OUR COUNTRY.
>> IS THAT A CODED RACIAL
APPEAL?
APPEAL? DONALD TRUMP ARGUED YES, AT
LEAST WHEN HIS POLITICAL
AMBITION REQUIRED COMPETING WITH
BUCHANAN.
BUCHANAN. YOU KNOW, BACK IN 2000 ONE OF
THE MANY TIMES THAT TRUMP
FLIRTED WITH RUNNING FOR
PRESIDENT, THEY WERE UP AGAINST
EACH OTHER FOR A NOMINATION ON
THE REFORM PARTY TICKET, AND
TRUMP BLASTED BUCHANAN AS A
BIGOT.
BIGOT. >> HE’S A HITLER LOVER.
I GUESS HE’S AN ANTI-SEMI.
HE DOESN’T LIKE THE BLACKS, HE
DOESN’T LIKE THE GAYS.
IT’S JUST INCREDIBLE THAT
ANYBODY COULD EMBRACE THIS GUY.
>> HIS VIEWS ARE SO FAR OFF, AND
WHAT HE WROTE IN HIS BOOK IS SO
BAD.
BAD. ANTI SEMITIC, ANTI-BLACK,
ANTI-GAY.
ANTI-GAY. >> THOSE ARE SOME OF THE VERY
TERMS TRUMP’S CRITICS NOW USE
AGAINST HIM.
AGAINST HIM. WITHIN A DECADE OF SAYING THAT
IT WAS TRUMP WHO INVOKED RACIST
BERTHERISM TO ATTACK THE FIRST
BLACK PRESIDENT AND THEN FOUND A
LOT OF FUEL IN STEALING
BUCHANAN’S LINES RATHER THAN
CALLING HIM ANTI-BLACK ANYMORE.
SO, BEFORE WE BEGIN, TAKE A LOOK
AT THE RECEIPTS.
>> HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS EVERY
SINGLE NIGHT WALK ACROSS THAT
BORDER INTO THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA IGNORING OUR LAWS,
IGNORING OUR BORDER.
>> ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS POURING
INTO OUR COUNTRY, BRINGING WITH
THEM CRIME, TREMENDOUS AMOUNTS
OF CRIME.
OF CRIME. >> TODAY WE CALL FOR A NEW
PATRIOTISM, WHERE AMERICANS
BEGIN TO PUT THE NEEDS OF
AMERICANS FIRST.
AMERICANS FIRST. >> WE ARE FINALLY PUTTING
AMERICA FIRST.
AMERICA FIRST. >> FOR TONIGHT’S DISCUSSION
WE’RE JOINED BY CONSERVATIVE
ACTIVIST CANDACE OWENS, WITH
TURNING POINT USA, AND SHE
ARGUES AFRICAN-AMERICANS ARE
DOING BETTER UNDER THE TRUMP
PRESIDENCY.
PRESIDENCY. SHE’S DRAWN PRAISE FOR THE WAY
SHE THINKS FROM NONE OTHER THAN
KANYE WEST WHO HAS PRAISED
TRUMP.
TRUMP. AND THE PRESIDENT HAILED HER
IMPACT TO THIS DIALOGUE.
ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE HAVE
GEORGETOWN PROFESSOR MICHAEL
ERIC DYSON, HE ARGUES TRUMP IS
EMBOLDENING WHITE SUPREMACISTS,
THE AUTHOR OF 21 BOOKS, INCOMING
"WHAT TRUTH SOUNDS LIKE."
THANK YOU BOTH FOR DOING THIS
DISCUSSION.
DISCUSSION. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.
>> CANDACE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT
THAT RHETORIC, AND YOU LOOK AT
WHAT APPEARS TO BE A SHIFT IN
THE WAY DONALD TRUMP TALKS, DO
YOU THINK HE IS EMBRACING A TYPE
OF RACIAL DIVISION THAT IS
PROBLEMATIC FOR US TO OPERATE AS
A CIVIL SOCIETY?
>> WELL, THE FIRST THING THAT I
LOOK AT IS THE DATE OF THE
TAPES.
TAPES. IT’S REMARKABLE THAT WE ARE
PULLING TAPES, YOU’VE GONE INTO
THE ARCHIVES AND WE ARE LOOKING
AT THE YEAR 2000.
I THINK PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO
EVOLVE THEIR THOUGHTS OVER 18
YEARS.
YEARS. THE SECOND THING THAT I THINK IS
QUITE REMARKABLE HERE IS THAT
WE’RE TALKING ABOUT RACIAL
DIVISION, AND WHAT SOWS RACIAL
DIVISION.
DIVISION. EVERY TIME I’M BROUGHT HERE, I’M
BEING ASKED TO DISPUTE ANOTHER
BLACK PERSON.
BLACK PERSON. WE’RE JUST ENDING A WEEKEND
WHERE 71 BLACK PEOPLE WERE SHOT
IN CHICAGO, 13 OF THEM KILLED,
AND WE’RE NOT TALKING ABOUT
THAT.
THAT. INSTEAD WE’RE TALKING ABOUT OLD
TAPES.
TAPES. I HAVE A PROBLEM WE’RE DOING
WALL TO WALL COVERAGE ON TAPES
THAT ARE FROM --
>> CANDACE, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM
WITH WHO YOU’RE APPEARING ON THE
SEGMENT WITH?
SEGMENT WITH? >> FOR THE SAKE OF TELEVISION,
AND BECAUSE MSNBC ALWAYS INVITES
ME ON TO DO THAT, I AM DECLINING
TO DO SO WHEN OUR COMMUNITY IS
MOURNING THE 71 PEOPLE THAT WERE
SHOT OVER THE WEEKEND.
WE NEED TO STOP THIS WARFARE AND
COME TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT
THINGS THAT MATTER.
WHAT IS GOING ON IN CHICAGO IS A
BIGGER TOPIC AND SHOULD BE A
BIGGER TOPIC ON THIS NETWORK
THAN WHAT TRUMP SAID 18 YEARS
AGO AND WHETHER OR NOT IT MEANS
THAT PEOPLE CHANGE OVER 18
YEARS, WHICH SHOCKER, GUYS, THEY
DO.
DO. >> WELL, I’M GOING TO HAVE THE
PROFESSOR RESPOND.
PROFESSOR RESPOND. I HAVE TO RESPOND ON BEHALF OF
MYSELF.
MYSELF. YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WERE INVITED
TO DISCUSS, AND WE’RE HAPPY
YOU’RE HERE.
YOU’RE HERE. IT’S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME AND
THIS SHOW THAT WE HAVE THESE
CONVERSATIONS AND INVITE A LOT
OF PEOPLE WITH ALL PERSPECTIVES.
IF THERE’S A PROBLEM WITH THAT,
I THINK YOU KNEW WHAT THE INVITE
WAS TO BEGIN WITH.
PROFESSOR DYSON, YOUR THOUGHTS.
>> LOOK, WE’RE DEALING WITH A
PERSON WHO HAS NOT ONLY
RADICALLY EMBOLDENED THE
PROSPECTS OF BIGOTRY IN THIS
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. IF YOU CAN’T BEAT THEM, COIN
THEM.
THEM. HE OPPOSES PAT BUCHANAN ON THE
ONE HAND, AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY
WHEN THE REAL BELIEFS EMERGE,
HIS VICIOUS -- IT’S A CORNUCOPIA
OF HATE THAT’S BEEN BRASHLY
ARTICULATED OF A MAN OF MANIFEST
LACK OF SERIOUS COHERENCE,
CHAOTIC INTELLIGENCE AND THE
LACK OF AN ABILITY TO REALLY
EXPRESS HIMSELF BY NOT ONLY
PULLING UPON THE STRANDS OF
HISTORY, BUT REFUSING TO TAKE
INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT’S GOING
ON TODAY.
ON TODAY. SO I THINK IN ONE SENSE IF WE’RE
GOING TO TALK ABOUT -- IF WE’RE
GOING TO BE HONEST ABOUT DONALD
TRUMP, HE HAS NOT HELPED BLACK
PEOPLE, HE HAS NOT ENABLED
AFRICAN-AMERICAN PEOPLE TO MOVE
FORWARD.
FORWARD. HE’S RIDING A CREST AND A WAVE
OF ECONOMIC PROSPERITY PUT IN
PLACE BY HIS PREDECESSOR BARACK
OBAMA.
OBAMA. HE HAS REFUSED TO ACKNOWLEDGE
THE CENTRALITY OF POLLUTIONICE
BRUTALITY, AND UNARMED BLACK
PEOPLE BEING ASSAULTED BY POLICE
IN THIS COUNTRY.
THE REALITY IS THAT DONALD
TRUMP, WHILE CLAIMING THROUGH
RHETORIC TO BE FOR THE BLACKS,
WHAT HE HAS DONE IS UNDERMINE
THE KBASTY OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN
PEOPLE TO EXIST IN A COUNTRY
WHERE IT’S NOT ONLY ABOUT THE
ECONOMIC FACTS AND THE
WHEREWITHAL WE CONTEND WITH, IT
IS ABOUT THE TONE, IT IS ABOUT
THE RHETORIC, IT IS ABOUT THE
ATMOSPHERE THAT HAS BEEN
UNLEASHED HERE.
UNLEASHED HERE. AND DONALD TRUMP HAS DONE
SOMETHING VERY DANGEROUS, AND
DESTRUCTIVE.
DESTRUCTIVE. HE CAN’T SEE THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN AN ANTI FASCIST AND A
PERSON WHO SUPPORTS IT.
HE CAN’T SEE THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN SOMEBODY WHO’S AGAINST
BLACK PEOPLE AND WHO’S FOR THEM.
HE NEGATES THE ABILITY TO SAY,
LOOK, I BELIEVE IN RATIONAL,
CIVIL DISCOURSE IN AMERICA, BUT
I TAKE ASIDE MORALLY AND
POLITICALLY.
POLITICALLY. WE ARE 53 YEARS --
>> IF I MAY SWEARINTERJECT FOR A
SECOND.
SECOND. >> LET ME FINISH.
WE’LL GO TO THE PROFESSOR AND
BACK TO YOU, CANDACE.
>> 53 --
>> 53 -- >> WE CAN --
>> HERE WE ARE, 53 YEARS PAST
THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.
WE’VE SEEN THE RESURGENCE OF AN
ATTEMPT TO NULLIFY AND DESTROY
THAT BLACK VOTE.
WE’VE SEEN ATTEMPTS TO SOMEHOW
CIRCUMNAVIGATE AROUND BLACK
POLITICAL CITIZENRY AND AGENCY.
SO ALL I’M SAYING IS, IF WE’RE
CONCERNED ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE,
WE’VE GOT TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT
POVERTY, INEQUALITY, LACK OF
ACCESS TO EDUCATION, PLUS THE
KINDS OF SORTS OF VIOLENCE WE
SEE DIRECTED TOWARD BLACK PEOPLE
IN THIS COUNTRY.
>> SOURCE OF VIOLENCE BEING
DIRECTED TOWARDS BLACK PEOPLE.
AM I BLACK?
I AM A BLACK CONSERVATIVE AND I
AM NOT HEARING ANYTHING SAID
ABOUT THE FACT THAT ABOUT 25
WHITE DEMOCRATS ASSEMBLED TO
KICK ME OUT OF A RESTAURANT
YESTERDAY TO THROW WATER AND TO
THROW EGGS AT ME BECAUSE I’M A
CONSERVATIVE THAT SUPPORTS
DONALD TRUMP.
DONALD TRUMP. THE VERY SAME DONALD TRUMP THAT
HAS NOT -- OBAMA DID NOT DO
THIS.
THIS. PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN
SLASHING REGULATIONS, AND IT HAS
BROUGHT THIS ECONOMY TO A PLACE
THAT IT’S NEVER BEEN AT.
WE HAVE UNEMPLOYMENT ALL-TIME
LOW FOR BOTH WOMEN, YOU BROUGHT
UP WOMEN, GAYS, BLACK PEOPLE.
UNEMPLOYMENT ACROSS THE BOARD.
YOU GUYS REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE
THE TRUTH WE’RE DOING BETTER.
FASCISTS, ANTIFA ATTACKED ME,
AND AN ALL-BLACK POLICE FORCE IN
PHILADELPHIA AND THEY CLAIM TO
BE FIGHTING RACISM.
HOW IS IT PLAUSIBLE, PROFESSOR,
THAT YOU ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN
TO YOUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE YOU
DECIDED THAT BECAUSE WE’RE
IDEOLOGICAL CONSERVATIVES.
IDEOLOGICAL CONSERVATIVES. >> I HAVEN’T SAID A WORD.
>> YOU JUST SAID A LOT OF WORDS.
SOMEBODY WAS COUNTING.
>> I DIDN’T SAY NOTHING ABOUT
YOU.
YOU. >> NOW YOU’RE CUTTING ME OFF.
>> I SAID NOTHING ABOUT YOU.
I FIND WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU
APPREHENSIBLE, BY THE WAY.
>> I’M ATTACKING YOUR ARGUMENTS
THEIR SAYING -- I DIDN’T GET TO
FINISH, HE WENT ON FOR FIVE
MINUTES STRAIGHT.
MINUTES STRAIGHT. >> I WANT TO LET YOU FINISH.
BUT IF YOU’RE CALLING OUT THE
PROFESSOR.
PROFESSOR. >> LIBERALS HAVE BEEN ATTACKING
CONSERVATIVES AND YOU GUYS SAY
NOTHING ABOUT IT.
BLACKS WERE ATTACKED BECAUSE
THEY SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP.
BLACK SUPPORT HAS DOUBLED SINCE
THIS TIME LAST YEAR.
YOU GUYS TRY TO PRETEND THAT HE
IS PUSHING IN A RACIST ERA IN
THIS COUNTRY WHEN WE KNOW THE
DEMOCRATS ARE THE RACISTS, HAVE
ALWAYS BEEN THE RACISTS, THE
PARTIES NEVER SWITCHED, AND YOU
SHOULD KNOW THIS AS A CIVIL
RIGHTS PERSON, YOU KNOW THE
HISTORY.
HISTORY. YOU KNOW THE PEOPLE UNDER THE
HOOD OF THE KKK WERE DEMOCRATS
AND THE PARTY NEVER SWITCHED.
SHAME YOU SHOULD DEFEND WHAT
HAPPENED TO ME YESTERDAY AND
DEFEND OUR COMMUNITY BEING
ATTACKED BECAUSE WE SUPPORT
DONALD TRUMP, BECAUSE WE
UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE BETTER
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES UNDER HIM
THAN WE EVER HAD IN OBAMA.
AND SHAME ON YOU FOR CREDITING
OBAMA FOR ALLOWING THE BLOODSHED
IN CHICAGO UNDER HIS
ADMINISTRATION.
ADMINISTRATION. HE ALLOWED THE BLOODSHED, AND
TRUMP WANTED TO SEND THE
NATIONAL GUARD.
NATIONAL GUARD. I’M DONE WITH THIS RACIST
NARRATIVE.
NARRATIVE. >> WE HAVE TO GO BARTCK AND FORT
CANDACE, TAKE A PAUSE THERE.
COUPLE THINGS, YOU’RE MAKING A
PERSONAL ATTACK ON THE OTHER
GUEST.
GUEST. >> WHAT DID I ATTACK HIM WITH?
>> PROFESSOR, I’M GOING TO GO
BACK TO YOU.
THE TOPIC OF THIS DISCUSSION WE
HAVE TRIED, AND PERHAPS ARE
FAILING ON LIVE TELEVISION TO
DISCUSS IS TRUMP POLICY, THE
INCIDENT THAT YOU’RE REFERRING
TO YESTERDAY IS NOT NECESSARILY
THIS TOPIC.
THIS TOPIC. >> IT’S A DEMOCRAT POLICY,
MAXINE WATERS, WHEN YOU SEE THEM
IN RESTAURANTS, GO UP TO THEM.
IT’S A DEMOCRAT POLICY.
>> RESPOND, SIR.
>> FIRST OF ALL, I NEVER SAID
ANYTHING ABOUT MS. OWENS, ANY
PARTICULAR RHETORIC, FIRST OF
ALL, WHEN SHE SAID YOU ALLOWED
IT.
IT. I’M NOT GOD, I DON’T CONTROL THE
UNIVERSE OR WEATHER.
I DID NOT POINT THESE PEOPLE
TOWARD YOU.
TOWARD YOU. IT’S REPREHENSIBLE THAT ANY
HUMAN BEING IS PUT OUT OF A
PARTICULAR ESTABLISHMENT BECAUSE
OF HER IDEOLOGY.
THAT’S PROBLEMATIC.
THAT’S PROBLEMATIC. I DID NOT SUGGEST THAT.
NUMBER TWO, YEAH, YOU ARE BLACK
AND I AM BLACK, BUT THAT DOESN’T
MEAN WE AGREE ON EVERYTHING.
>> WE DON’T HAVE TO AGREE, WE
RESPECT ONE ANOTHER.
>> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ME AS
DISRESPECTFUL, HERE’S WHAT’S
INTERESTING TO ME.
YOU HAVE COME ON HERE AND LIKE
DONALD TRUMP REDUCED EVERYTHING
TO NARCISSISTIC
TO NARCISSISTIC SELF-PREOCCUPATION.
SELF-PREOCCUPATION. >> YOU’RE USING BIG WORDS, AND
SAYING NOTHING.
SAYING NOTHING. I HAVE SAID NOTHING
NARCISSISTIC.
NARCISSISTIC. I’M TALKING ABOUT TRUMP.
A NARCISSIST LOOKS AT THEMSELVES
AND YOU ARE OBSESSED WITH
YOURSELF.
YOURSELF. >> WE’RE OUT OF TIME.
WE PUT ASIDE EIGHT MINUTES.
MICHAEL ERIC DYSON, CANDACE