YOUR SEXUAL ENCOUNTER WAS
UNPLEASANT.
>> Martha: VERY DIFFERENT.
TRACE GALLAGHER IN OUR WEST
COAST NEWSROOM WITH THE
FALLOUT TONIGHT.
HI, TRACE.
WITH COMEDIAN AZIZ ANSARI
DOES NOT RISE TO THE HARVEY
WEINSTEIN MISCONDUCT.
IT ISN'T ABOUT A POWERFUL
PERSON TRYING TO HUMILIATE
AND SUBJUGATE SOMEONE WHO
WANTS NOTHING MORE THAN TO
CHASE THEIR DREAMS INSTEAD
ONE THAT DID NOT LIVE UP TO
THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE
WOMAN INVOLVED.
ACCOUNT AS IT IS TO HURT AND
HUMILIATE ANSARI.
CRITICS ARE WORRIED ABOUT
TRYING TO HURT ANSARI OR
GUILTY OF BAD TIMING.
WOULD SHE HAVE BEEN AS
CRITICIZED AT THE HEIGHT OF
THE ME TOO MOVEMENT.
QUOTING THE SOCIAL MEDIA
CAMPAIGN IS, OF COURSE,
INTENDED AS A WAKE UP CALL
FOR MEN.
IF EVERY WOMAN YOU KNOW HAS
BEEN HARASSED OR ASSAULTED,
THEN EVERY MAN YOU KNOW HAS
LIKELY MADE A WOMAN FEEL
UNSAFE.
AND IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT
NOT EVERYONE IS ANSARI A
PASS.
"L.A. TIMES" CONTRIBUTOR
SAID I WAS FINALLY ABLE TO
READ THE ACCOUNT WITH AZIZ
ANSARY.
UNDERSTANDING OF WHATSOEVER
THE ME TOO NARRATIVE IS
CONSISTENTLY BEING
CHALLENGED.
ACTRESS DENOUNCED THE
MOVEMENT BECAUSE SHE
BELIEVES PEOPLE WHO DID NOT
DESERVE TO BE CONDEMNED ARE
FACING THE SAME CONSEQUENCES
AS SEX OFFENDERS.
AND FORMER SECRETARY OF
STATE CONDOLEEZZA RICE
OFFERED, THIS WATCH.
>> LET'S NOT TURN WOMEN INTO
SNOWFLAKES.
LET'S NOT INFANTILIZE WOMEN.
NOTCH INSTEAD OF THE FOCUS
BEING SOLELY AT THE ALLEGED
BAD BEHAVIOR OF MEN.
THE ACCUSATIONS ARE NOW
GETTING A SECOND LOOK.
MARTHA?
>> Martha: TRACE, THANK YOU.
BEN SHAPIRO EDITOR AND CHIEF
OF THE DAILY WIRE AND MOLLIE
HEMINGWAY SENIOR EDITOR AT
THE FEDERALIST AND FOX NEWS
CONTRIBUTOR.
I GUESS THE QUESTION HAVE WE
THIS DISCUSSION WHERE DUE
PROCESS ENTERS THE
DISCUSSION AND THE
ASSUMPTION THAT EVERY WOMAN
MUST BE BELIEVED, WHICH IS
STAGES OF THIS MOLLY SEEM TO
BE QUESTIONED AT THIS POINT.
IT'S ABOUT TIME.
YOU JUST MENTIONED THE
STANDARD THAT ALL WOMEN MUST
BE BELIEVED.
OTHER STANDARD WHERE THE
ONLY THING YOU HAVE TO WORRY
ABOUT IS WHETHER A WOMAN
FEELS UNCOMFORTABLE.
THESE ARE THE JUDGMENTS WE
WERE USING TO DETERMINE
IT WAS A PANIC.
AND IT WAS THIS ATTEMPT TO
HAVE THROWN OFF ALL
OBJECTIVE SEXUAL MORALITY
AND IT'S CLEARLY NOT GOING
SO WELL.
THESE ARE NOT GOOD ONE WAYS
WOMEN SHOULD THINK ABOUT
FORMING RELATIONSHIPS BEFORE
THEY HAVE SEX.
BEN, YOU WROTE ABOUT THIS
QUITE A BIT AND YOU TALKED TALKE
QUITE A BIT AND YOU TALKED TALKD
ABOUT HER ASSERTION THAT HE
SHOULD HAVE PICKED UP ON HER
NONVERBAL CUES.
YOUR JACKET AND WALKING OUT
THE DOOR WHICH WOMEN HAVE
BEEN DOING FOR HUNDREDS OF
YEARS.
>> YEAH THERE WAS NONVERBAL
CUES GIVEN INCLUDING GETTING
NAKED IN HIS APARTMENT AND
PERFORMING SEX ACTS MULTIPLE
TIMES ON HIM.
I F. I WERE ANSARI THAT'S A
PRETTY NONVERBAL CUE YOU
FROM ME TOO EXPECTS MEN TO
BE MIND READERS.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
ONE THING WE SHOULD BELIEVE
WOMEN ABOUT OBJECTIVE
VERIFIABLE FACTS OR
OBJECTIVE VIEWS OF WHAT
HAPPENED.
MY HAND WENT HERE AND THEN
WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
WE HAVE TO BELIEVE ALL
WOMEN'S SUBJECTIVE
PERCEPTIONS EVENTS THAT ARE
OFTEN VERY MESSIED VERY
CONFUSING AND VERY CHAOTIC
IN WHICH THE FEELINGS
THIS WOMAN WAS ENTHUSIASTIC
BY THE END OF THE DATE AND
NEXT MORNING TALKING ABOUT
HOW TERRIBLE IT WAS.
IS IT THE JOB TO MEN TO
DECIDE WHEN WOMEN ARE
UNCAPABLE OF.
WOMEN ARE SUPPOSED TO BE
MISTRESSES OF OWN CONSENT.
MEN NOT POSSIBLE TO THINK
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO CONSENT.
I DON'T THINK SEX IS IN YOUR
BEST INTEREST AND I DON'T
THINK.
THAT WOULD BE MAN SPLAINING.
MEN ARE CAUGHT BETWEEN ROCK
AND HARD PLACE IF WE SAY NO
AND THE WOMAN ACTUALLY IS
GIVING NONVERBAL CUES THAT
SAY YES THEN WE ARE MAN
SPLAINS.
GIVING NONVERBAL CUES SAY
YES SHE THINKS SAYS NO THEN
WE ARE GUILTY OF SEXUAL
ASSAULT OR SEXUAL ABUSE?
HARR MARCH I HEAR YOU.
I DON'T WANT TO LET YOU GO
WITHOUT FLAILING THIS
THOUGHT.
THIS IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT
STORY.
THIS IS ABOUT THE U.S.
OLYMPIC TEAM AND OTHER WOMEN
TRAINED BY A TRAINER HE HAS
BEEN CONVICTED ON SEVEN
COUNTS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT.
NOW THE VICTIMS ARE TELLING
THEIR SIDE OF THE STORY.
WATCH THIS.
>> NIGHTMARE WITH US COMING
INTO MY VIEW TO GO
I WANT TO GO INTO PUBLIC
WITHOUT SEEING SOMEONE WHO
LOOKS LIKE YOU AND BE SO
AFRAID THAT I HAVE TO LEAVE.
I REMEMBER LAYING THERE
CONFUSED AND SCARED.
>> LITTLE GIRLS DON'T STAY
THAT RETURN TO DESTROY YOUR
WORLD.
>> Martha: A NUMBER OF VERY
WELL KNOWN GYMNASTS AND ALL
OF THESE YOUNG WOMEN YOU SEE
HERE ABUSED BY THE BERN WHO
WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THEIR
TRAINER, THE PERSON WHO WAS
LOOKING OUT FOR THEM.
HE GAVE THEM WHAT HE CALLED
OUT SPECIAL TREATMENT AND
THIS WERE TERRIFIED AS CAN
TEAM GYMNAST SETTLED WITH
THE U.S. GYMNASTICS
ASSOCIATION AND AS PART OF
THAT SETTLEMENT, SHE IS NOT
ALLOWED TO SPEAK OUT AT THIS
OR SHE WILL BE FINED
$100,000 DOING SO.
BEN, YOUR THOUGHTS AND THEN
WE GO TO MOLLY.
>> I WILL PUT UP SOME MONEY
RIGHT NOW WHO SHOULD START A
FUND SPEAK OUT HOWEVER WANTS
SHE WANTS ON THIS PARTICULAR
TOPIC.
IF ME TOO IS TO STAND FOR
ANYTHING IT'S TO STAND FOR
THE IDEA THAT THE ENTIRE
CULTURE, MEN, WOMEN,
EVERYBODY LOOK AT INSTANCES
OF ACTUAL SEXUAL ASSAULT AND
NOT ONLY CONDEMN THEM BUT
WANT TO MAKE WOMEN FREE TO
TALK ABOUT THEM MORE OPENLY.
>> THIS MAN IS BENEATH COB
TEMPT AND
COMPT AND
CONTT AND
CONTEMAND
CONTEMPTD
CONTEMPT AND DISGUSTING
WHAT HE PUT THESE YOUNG
WOMEN THROUGH.
IT'S APPALLING THERE WEREN'T
MORE PEOPLE AWARE OF WHAT
WAS GOING ON UNTIL THIS
YEAR.
HAVING SAID THAT ONE OF THE
FEW THINGS THAT VICTIMS CAN
GET SOMETIMES ARE
SETTLEMENTS WHERE THEY GET
SOME FINANCIAL COMPENSATION
FOR THE HORRORS THAT THEY
HAVE GONE THROUGH.
AND IT'S VERY NOBLE TO
QUESTION NONDISCLOSURE
AGREEMENTS FOR HOW THEY
SILENCE VICTIMS BUT ALSO WE
HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE
DON'T CAKE AWAY ONE OF THE
FEW THINGS THAT SOMETIMES
VICTIMS CAN GET OUT OF A
VERY HORRIBLE SITUATION.
AND IF YOU ATTACK
NONDISCLOSURE DISAGREEMENTS
IT CAN ACTUALLY MAKE IT HARD
FOR WOMEN TO GET JUSTICE IN
THE FUTURE, TOO.
IT'S A DIFFICULT SITUATION.
SPEAK THEIR MIND.
TEAGAN AND BEN SHAPIRO