>> ON THE ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION,
THE BIPARTISAN GROUP OF MODERATE
SENATORS SHOULD CONTINUE TRYING
TO FIND A CONSENSUS.
THE WHITE HOUSE UNFORTUNATELY
HAS PROVEN UNRELIABLE AND WILDLY
UNPREDICTABLE.
EVERY TIME THE PRESIDENT MOVES
FORWARD ON ONE THING, HIS STAFF
PULLED HIM BACK AND UNDOES WHAT
HE SAID.
>> TEN TO 12 YEARS, SOMEBODY WHO
DOES A GREAT JOB.
THEY WORKED HARD, DONE
TERRIFICALLY.
WHETHER THEY HAVE A COMPANY OR
WHETHER THEY WERE, WHATEVER THEY
ARE DOING, DO A GREAT JOB.
>> THE ADMINISTRATION IS
NEGOTIATING AND THEY PUT
DOWN THEIR FIRST MARKER ON AN
IMMIGRATION REFORM PLAN TODAY.
IT INCLUDES $25 BILLION TRUST
FUND FOR THE BORDER WALL SYSTEM,
5 BILLION ADDITIONAL FOR
TECHNOLOGY.
ALSO NORTHERN BORDER
IMPROVEMENTS AND ENHANCEMENTS.
PROVIDING LEGAL STATUS FOR DACA
RECIPIENTS AND OTHER ELIGIBLE
IMMIGRANTS.
ADJUSTING THE TIME FRAME TO
ENCOMPASS POSSIBLY 1.8 MILLION.
PROMOTE THE NUCLEAR FAMILY
MIGRATION BY LIMITING FAMILY
SPONSORSHIPS TO SPOUSES AND
MINOR CHILDREN ONLY, EXTENDING
EXTENDED FAMILY -- ENDING
EXTENDED FAMILY CHAIN MIGRATION
AND ELIMINATE THE VISA LOTTERY
AND HIGHLY SKILLED EMPLOYMENT
BACKLOG.
THEIR IMMEDIATE REACTION TO
THIS, RACHEL BAIT HAS BEEN ON
OUR SHOW A LOT ON CAPITOL HILL,
HOUSE REPUBLICANS NOT HAPPY WITH
THIS NEW WHITE HOUSE IMMIGRATION
PLAN.
"THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE
END OF THE G.O.P. MAJORITY IN
THE HOUSE, IN THE YEAR WHEN THE
DEMOCRATS IMPEACH TRUMP, WE CAN
POINT TO THIS MOMENT.
ONE REPUBLICAN TELLS ME.
LET'S BRING IN THE PANEL.
JONATHAN SWANN, NATIONAL
POLITICAL REPORTER FOR AXIOS.
AND SENIOR FELLOW AT THE
MANHATTAN INSTITUTE.
THIS OFTEN HAPPENS WHEN ANYTHING
HAPPENS IN IMMIGRATION, ANY
SPECIFICS, OUTCOME AND THE
REACTION IS LOUD.
JONATHAN, THERE'S A SENSE THAT
AFTER THIS WAS RULED OUT, THERE
WERE SOME CALLS BEING MADE FROM
THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PRESIDENTS
FLANK.
>> RIGHT, AND TWO SOURCES OF
TOLD ME STEPHEN MILLER JUST GOT
OFF A CONFERENCE CALL WITH A
GROUP OF HARDLINERS ON
IMMIGRATION AND IT WAS I AM TOLD
A VERY FEISTY CALL.
A LOT OF THEM HATE THIS
PROPOSAL.
HE'S ANGERED A LOT OF PEOPLE ON
I'VE BEEN TALKING TO PROGRESSIVE
ACTIVISTS IN CLOSE TOUCH WITH
DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP AND THEY
SAY IT'S DEAD ON ARRIVAL BECAUSE
IT'S "IN THEIR WORDS, A RADICAL
PROPOSAL WITH MASSIVE CUTS TO
LEGAL IMMIGRATION.
SOME SAY THE BIGGEST CUTS SINCE
THE 1920s.
THE WHITE HOUSE SEEMS TO HAVE
ANGERED JUST ABOUT EVERYONE FROM
WHAT I CAN TELL.
IT'S THE ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION,
AS YOU POINT OUT, YOU ALWAYS
ANCHOR EVERYONE ONCE YOU START
PUTTING SPECIFICS OUT THERE.
>> Bret: ISN'T THIS WHAT
EVERYBODY HAS ASKED FOR, LESLIE,
TO GET SPECIFIC, START THE
NEGOTIATION WITH ACTUAL DATA
POINTS ON THE BOARD THAT SAY
HERE'S OUR PROPOSAL.
WHAT'S YOURS?
>> THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS THAT
ON FRIDAY WHEN YOU HAD
SENATOR SCHUMER MEET WITH THE
PRESIDENT, THIS IS GALAXIES
APART AND YOU NEED THE DEMOCRATS
ON THIS.
YOU NEED BIPARTISAN SUPPORT FOR
ANY IMMIGRATION REFORM AND WE
KNOW THIS.
YOU CANNOT HANG THE DACA, THE
DREAMERS OVER THE CLIFF WITH
THIS.
THIS IS NOT ONLY OVERAMBITIOUS,
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
>> Bret: WHAT DO YOU MEAN
"OVER THE CLIFF?"
YOU ARE EXPANDING THE DACA
POPULATION.
>> YOU HAVE A TEN TO 12 YOUR
PROGRAM.
THAT'S FAR TOO LONG.
YOU ARE CUTTING 5 OUT OF 7
PROGRAMS THAT ARE IN PLACE NOW
FOR IMMIGRANTS.
YOU ARE PUTTING PEOPLE THAT ARE
LOOKING RIGHT NOW AS IMMIGRANTS
OR WHO ARE FLEEING PERSECUTION
AS REFUGEES, YOU ARE NOT
ADDRESSING THOSE ISSUES ARE NEW
OR NOT ADDRESSING TERRORISM WITH
ANYTHING WITH REGARD TO A WALL.
THE SOUTHERN BORDER, OR THE
NORTHERN BORDER BECAUSE YOU'RE
NOT ADDRESSING RADICAL ISLAM AND
ISIS.
SP1 HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
WAIT A SECOND.
THE WHITE HOUSE SAID THIS IS
PHASE ONE.
THERE ARE OTHER ELEMENTS OF
IMMIGRATION.
THIS IS THEIR FIRST MARKER OUT
THERE AND THEY ARE DOING
SOMETHING THAT CONSERVATIVES,
JASON, JUST NOTED, WILL HAVE A
HARD TIME WITH.
>> YES, THERE IS SOMETHING,
SOMEONE SAID EARLIER THERE IS
SOMETHING IN HERE FOR EVERYONE
TO HATE.
WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF THESE IN
PREVIOUS PROPOSALS.
A LOT OF THIS WAS IN THE 2013
GAIN OF EIGHT BILL THAT PASSED
THE SENATE AND FAILED IN THE
HOUSE.
IN THAT BILL, YOU HAD A
MULTIYEAR PATH TO CITIZENSHIP.
YOU HAD FUNDING FOR MORE BORDER
SECURITY.
YOU HAD AN ILLUMINATION OF THE
DIVERSITY VISA AND SO FORTH.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE
ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO DO
ABOUT OVERALL LEVELS OF
IMMIGRATION HERE RIGHT NOW WE
THINK ABOUT A MILLION A YEAR,
AROUND 70% OF THAT IS CHAIN
MIGRATION.
I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF
DEMOCRATS OUT THERE THAT SAID
OKAY, YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE
BALANCE?
LAST CHAIN MIGRATION?
USE SOME OF THOSE TO GIVE TO
PEOPLE WITH SKILLS, PEOPLE WITH
EDUCATION BUT YOU DO HAVE
HARDLINERS LIKE STEPHEN MILLER,
TOM COTTON WHO WANT AN OVERALL
REDUCTION IN LEGAL IMMIGRATION.
THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE DIVIDE
IS.
AS I'M BEING TOLD RIGHT NOW.
>> Bret: LESLIE, I DIDN'T MEAN
SEEM LIKELY BY THIS REACTION
THAT THIS IS GOING TO GET
WRAPPED UP BY FEBRUARY 8.
>> IT'S NOT, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN
BY PUTTING THEM OVER A CLIFF.
THIS IS NOT, ONE PIECE OF
LEGISLATION FIX.
WE ALL KNOW THIS.
I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE
DREAMERS AND NOT SAY ADDRESS IT
IN EXCHANGE FOR DOING THAT.
WE ARE SEEING IN THE LANGUAGE
THAT THE PRESIDENT IS WILLING TO
CONCEDE THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE
A WALL FOR THE ENTIRE SEVEN
BORDER OF OUR NATION.
WE ARE SEEING THAT IN THE
LANGUAGE OF WHAT'S BEEN PUT
>> Bret: SOMETHING SIMILAR.
JONATHAN.
THAT THEY NEED SOMETHING THEY
CAN CREDIBLY CALL A WALL.
IF THEY DON'T GET THAT, TRUMP
KNOWS IT'S INTOLERABLE FOR HIS
BASE.
THE QUESTION ABOUT LEGAL
IMMIGRATION TO MEET HIS WHAT'S
GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST STICKING
POINT ON THE LEFT.
ALSO ONE THING WE HAVEN'T
MENTIONED YET IS THE LANGUAGE
AROUND INTERIOR ENFORCEMENT, THE
INCREASE IN I.C.E. AGENTS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S
UNACCEPTABLE TO A LOT OF
THEM TO HASH OUT A DEAL.
I THINK THE SPACE WHERE THE DEAL
IS POSSIBLE IS IF DEMOCRATS GIVE
TRUMP ENOUGH MONEY SO HE CAN
BUILD SOMETHING THAT HE CAN
CREDIBLY CALL A WALL AND THAT
THERE IS SOME GIVE-AND-TAKE ON
CHAIN MIGRATION.
THEN I THINK A DEAL IS POSSIBLE.
>> Bret: GO AHEAD, JASON.
>> I THINK THE REAL QUESTION
HERE, WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER,
WHETHER DEMOCRATS REALLY WANT
DEAL OR IF THEY WANT THIS ISSUE
FOR THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS.
DICK DURBIN REVEALS WHAT THE
PRESIDENT SAID IN A PRIVATE
MEETING, TO BLOW OFF ANY
DISCUSSIONS.
KNOWING THAT WILL END
DISCUSSIONS.