MONET FETCHING 9 FIGURES, ALL
THE DETAILS.
FIRST TOP STORY THIS HALF AN
HOUR, CAPITALISM VERSUS
SOCIALISM THIS WEEK, HERE IS
PRESIDENT TRUMP DURING VISIT TO
NATIONAL GAS FACILITY IN
LOUISIANA YESTERDAY.
>> WE WANT EVERY AMERICAN TO
KNOW PAYCHECK AND THE
SATISFACTION OF A JOB WELL DONE,
WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN SOCIALISM,
OKAY, IS THAT ALL RIGHT TO SAY?
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
>> IT WAS STANDING FROM PREVIOUS
GENERATIONS IT WOULD BE FALLING
DOWN RIGHT NOW.
MARIA: SOCIALISM DEBATE IS
HEATING UP AHEAD OF 2020 WITH
CANDIDATES LIKE BERNIE SANDERS,
ELIZABETH WARREN, POLICIES LIKE
TAX INCREASE ON THE WEALTHY,
COLLEGE TUITION AND MEDICARE FOR
ALL.
SOCIALISM ADVOCATE, GOOD TO SEE
YOU AGAIN, THANKS SO MUCH FOR
JOINING US.
>> MARIA.
MARIA: TELL US WHY YOU'RE A
SOCIALIST?
>> WELL, TO START, A LITTLE BIT
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DEMOCRATIC
SOCIALIST AND SOCIALIST AND, OF
COURSE, MORE RADICAL STYLE OF
SOCIALIST AND I THINK THAT'S ONE
OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IN
THE UNITED STATES, YOU KNOW,
EDUCATION SYSTEM REALLY HASN'T
AFFORDED US TO GO TO UNDERSTAND
THE DEPTHS OF POLITICAL
PHILOSOPHIES OUT THERE.
WHAT I BELIEVE IN DEMOCRATIC
GOVERNMENT AND THAT'S WHAT
DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM IS,
GOVERNMENT THAT'S BUILT OFF OF
THE PEOPLE, IT'S MADE UP OF THE
PEOPLE, PEOPLE ARE DECIDING AND
PEOPLE WRITING THE LAWS, THE
PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, ARE
AFFECTED BY THE ECONOMY.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE LIVING MORE ON
OLIGARCHY, NOT ONE PERSON BUT 1%
ARE MAKING ALL THE MONEY, NOT
PAYING TAXES, DRIVING UP COST OF
REAL ELATE.
LOBBYING LAWMAKERS TO MAKE SURE
WORKING PEOPLE CAN LIVE BETTER
LIVES.
INCOME INEQUALITY IT'S WORST
THAN IT HAS BEEN IN HISTORY
RIGHT NOW.
AFTER STOCK MARKET CRASH IN
1929, AFTER 2008, IT'S WORST NOW
THAN IT WAS THEN AND I THINK
THAT DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST THINK
THAT THIS IS REFLECTION OF OUR
GOVERNMENT BEING OLIGARCHIES
RATHER THAN GOVERNMENT THAT
REALLY CAME OUT AS, YOU KNOW,
THE NEW DEAL.
THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY A FORM OF
DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM AND WITH SO
MANY COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD
HAVE DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF IN
THAT THEY TAX THEIR MOST
VULNERABLE CITIZENS RATHER THAN
THOSE WHO --
MARIA: ERIN.
>> DESPITE PROMINENT OF SOCIAL
LIBERALS IN MEDIA, RECENT POLLS
SHOW THAT SOCIALIST IDEALS ARE
NOT POPULAR, ONLY 10% OF PEOPLE
PREFER THEM AND IF YOU DO
SUPPORT IT'S ALL ABOUT THE
COMMUNITY, THIS SHOW THAT IS THE
COMMUNITY ISN'T REALLY BEHIND
YOU, WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE YOU
ON YOUR THEORY HERE?
>> ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS AS I
SAID AT THE BEGINNING MOST
PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND
ESPECIALLY OLDER GENERATIONS
COMING OUT OF THE REAGAN ERA, IS
THAT PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND
WHAT SOCIALISM IS AND ISSUES
THAT DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS ARE
FIGHTING FOR, MEDICARE FOR ALL,
YOU KNOW, FAIR HOUSING, YOU
KNOW, ELIMINATING STUDENT DEBT
AND REDUCING STUDENT DEBT, THESE
ARE THINGS THAT -- THAT ALL
AMERICANS WANT TO SEE HAPPENING
BUT IT'S REALLY THE LABELS, THE
FEAR THAT THEY HAVE PUT OUT
THERE BY DONALD TRUMP, IT'S PUT
OUT BY FAR-RIGHT-WING MEDIA.
DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM IS RISING
ESPECIALLY WITH YOUNGER PEOPLE
AND A LOT OF THE POLLS ARE
EXTREMELY FLAWED AND THEY'RE
FOCUSED ON A SPECIFIC
DEMOGRAPHIC.
YES, TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUES
AND NOT THE LABELS AND HOW WOULD
THE ISSUES AND THE POLICIES WILL
AFFECT PEOPLE'S LIVES.
MARIA: SO LOOKING JUST AT, FOR
EXAMPLE, WORK, AND BECAUSE
SOCIALISM IS FOR THE PEOPLE AS
YOU -- AS YOU JUST SAID, SHOULD
EVERYONE MAKE THE SAME SALARY?
>> NO, THAT'S COMMUNISM.
MARIA: NO, NO, IT'S NOT -- THAT
WOULD BE SOCIALISM BECAUSE
EVERYONE WOULD BE THE SAME,
EVERYONE SHOULD BE MAKING THE
SAME AND THERE'S NO PRODUCTIVITY
INCREASES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE
INCENTIVE TO WORK HARD AND MAKE
AS MUCH MONEY, YOU SAID IT'S 1
TENTH OF THE PERCENT OF THE TOP
MAKING ALL THE MONEY, SO YOU
U.S. STOCK MARKET FUTURES YOU
MUST AGREE THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD
MAKE THE SAME SALARY THEN.
>> NO, SO SOCIALISM, COMMUNISM
AND DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM, YOU
KNOW, WE ALL NEED TO REBRAND.
DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM IS A
CHALLENGE MAKING BETTER
CAPITALISM, IT'S BELIEVING IN
DEMOCRATIC VALUES AND
INSTITUTIONS BUT ALSO CHECK ON
CAPITALISM, THAT'S HOW
DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS ALL ACROSS
THE WORLD OPERATE.
DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE
ANTICAPITALISM, THEY'RE NOT
ANARCHISTS, MOST DEMOCRATIC
SOCIALISTS AREN'T CALLING FOR
INCOME, THAT'S SOMETHING MORE
LIBERTARIAN, WE BELIEVE THAT,
YES, THE MARKETS NEED TO BE
CHECKED.
RIGHT NOW THEY ARE OUT OF
CONTROL, BUT EVERY PERSON SHOULD
BE ABLE TO START A SMALL
BUSINESS THE WAY MY GRANDPARENTS
HERE WHEN THEY IMMIGRATED HERE
AND ESCAPED COMMUNISM.
MARIA: YOU'RE MIXING IT UP
BECAUSE EVERYONE BEING ABLE TO
START BUSINESS IS NOT SOCIALISM,
YOU CAN CALL IT DEMOCRAT
SOCIALISM, WHATEVER YOU WANT,
HAVING EVERYBODY TO START THEIR
OWN BUSINESS AND MAKE AS MONEY
AS THEY CAN, YOU'RE CONFUSING
CAPITALISM AND SOCIALISM.
>> NO, I'M ACTUALLY NOT, SITTING
HERE RIGHT NOW BY MY COMPUTER IS
ON STACK BOOKS WITH DEAL WITH
SUBJECT.
DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM, DEMOCRATIC
STATE ARE DIFFERENT SOCIALISM,
WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO HISTORY
AND IT'S COMPLICATED AND --
MARIA: YOU DON'T LIKE
CAPITALISM?
>> I THINK THAT CAPITALISM NEEDS
TO BE CHANGED.
DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM IS A CHECK
OF CAPITALISM.
IT'S NOT ELIMINATION OF
CAPITALISM.
WE LIVE IN GLOBAL ECONOMY THAT
WILL NOT HAPPEN ANY TIME SOON
BUT THE TRUTH IS PEOPLE NEED TO
BE PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE OF
TAXES ESPECIALLY THE 1%.
DAGEN: GOOD TO SEE YOU,
LISTENING TO YOUR PROMINENT
REPRESENTATIVES OF DEMOCRATIC
SOCIALISM, OCCASIONALLY WHEN
THEY TALK ABOUT PROBLEMS IN OUR
SOCIETY, SAY, PROBLEMS IN PUBLIC
HOUSING WITH CHILDREN GETTING
ASTHMA HERE IN NEW YORK OR THE
FLINT WATER CRISIS, FOR EXAMPLE,
THOSE ARE PROBLEMS CREATED BY
GOVERNMENT, SO HOW DOES MORE
GOVERNMENT FIX THOSE?
>> IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU
MENTION THIS, SO THESE ARE
PROBLEMS SPECIFICALLY BOTH
REFLECTION ABOUT PROSPERITY IN
GOVERNMENT, IN PUBLIC HOUSING IN
NEW YORK AND IN FLINT, WHAT YOU
SAW WAS GOVERNMENT TREAT
AUSTERITY, THEY DID THIS IN
GREECE AND PORTUGAL AND SPAIN
WHERE IT SUBBINGS THE LINE OUT
OF CITIZENS AND LINE IT IS
POCKETBOOKS OF THE FISCAL
CONTROL BOARDS, MAKING MONEY OFF
OF INSTITUTIONS AND WHAT HAPPENS
NEXT IS BIG COMPANIES COME IN
AND SAY WE WILL PRIVATIZE IT,
THERE'S NO OPTION NOW, WE HAVE
TO PRIVATIZING PUBLIC HOUSING
AND PRIVATIZING WATER.
THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE NOW, WHEN
YOU PRIVATIZE DOESN'T MAKE WATER
CLEANER, WHEN YOU PRIVATIZE
HOUSING, DOESN'T MAKE BETTER
FUNCTIONING AND FAIR, IT