GREAT AGAIN AND HE CAN START BY
MAKING THE HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES GREAT AGAIN.
>> OH JOINING ME NOW, FLORIDA
CONGRESSMAN MATT GAETZ WHO HAS
VOTED 11 TIMES FOR CANDIDATES
OTHER THAN McCARTHY.
GREAT TO SEE YOU TONIGHT.
I LOVE SEEING YOU WITH
CONGRESSWOMAN JAYAPAL.
ANY SCOOP THAT YOU CAN GIVE US?
THAT WAS FUNNY.
WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT?
>> MY CONVERSATIONS WITH
DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN ABOUT MAKING
SURE THEY DON’T LEAVE THE FLOOR
FOR DINNER OR FUNDRAISERS OR
WHATNOT.
WE NEED THEM TO STAY THERE SO
THAT THE DENOMINATOR IN THE
EQUATION ON THE ELECTION OF THE
SPEAKER ALLOWS US TO HAVE
LEVERAGE TO PUSH FOR MANY OF THE
THINGS WE’VE BEEN DISCUSSING ON
THE BUDGET, ON TERM LIMITS, ON
REALLY THE ORDER OF THE HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES.
SO, COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS AND
CHAIRMANSHIPS AREN’T BOUGHT AND
SOLD ON WHO’S ABLE TO
REDISTRIBUTE THE LOBBYIST MONEY
WHILE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE
LEFT BEHIND IN A CORRUPT BROKEN
SYSTEM IN CONGRESS.
>> Laura:: YOUR POINT ABOUT
RUSHING OFF TO EVENTS WITH
CONSULTANTS OR FUNDRAISERS IS
IMPORTANT.
I SAW THERE WAS A FUNDRAISING
EMAIL SENT OUT BY ANDY BIGGS,
ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS OPPOSING
McCARTHY.
HE SENT A FUNDRAISER OUT AS THE
ACTION WAS HAPPENING ON THE
FLOOR SAYING WE BLOCK KEVIN
McCARTHY FROM BECOMING SPEAKER
OF THE HOUSE.
NOW WE CONSERVATIVES MUST LEAD
THE FIGHT TO GETTING THE
LEADERSHIP WE DESERVE.
CONGRESSMAN GAETZ, IS THAT THE
RIGHT -- WE LOVE CONGRESSMAN
BIGGS, IS THAT THE RIGHT
APPROACH GIVEN YOUR MESSAGE,
DON’T RUN OUT TO THE
FUNDRAISERS.
>> I WANTED TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE
STAY ON THE FLOOR.
THE REASON IS PRO McCARTHY
GROUPS HAVE BEEN RUNNING ROBO
CALLS IN OUR DISTRICTS TRYING TO PRESSURE US AND LEVERAGE US.
PRESSURE US AND LEVERAGE US.
SO, YES, WHEN YOU HAVE KEVIN
McCARTHY PRESSURING, WE WANT THE
PATRIOTS IN THIS LAND TO GO TO
MATTGAETZ.COM TO CHIP IN SO I
CAN GET THE MESSAGE OUT ABOUT
WHAT WE’RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
ITE NOT THE END OF THE WORLD WE
TAKE A FEW EXTRA DAYS OR WEEKS
TO SORT IT OUT.
THERE ARE SOME DAYS IN CONGRESS
WHERE THE ONLY THING WE VOTE ON
IS THE CHANGING OF THE NAME OF
ONE POST OFFICE.
WE’RE DECIDING WHO’S SECOND IN
LINE TO THE PRESIDENCY.
AND THE CONSTRUCT OF THE RULES
CONCESSIONS FUNCTIONALLY TERM
THE SPEAKERSHIP TO A CEREMONIAL
POSITION.
IF MY COLLEAGUES GET WHAT THEY
WANT FROM McCARTHY, THE FREEDOM
CAUCUS WILL BE MORE IMPORTANT,
AMENDMENTS WERE PROCESS AND WHY
SPENDING IS GOING FORWARD.
>> Laura:: I GET THE -- YOU
KNOW ON THE ESTABLISHMENT
ISSUES, I’M TOTALLY WITH YOU.
OKAY?
I’M ABOUT THE ART OF THE
POSSIBLE.
WHAT’S POSSIBLE HERE?
SO, YOU DID GET A NUMBER OF
CONCESSIONS THAT I’M NOT SURE IF
I’M ON THE OTHER SIDE I WOULD
HAVE GIVEN YOU.
BUT A NUMBER OF CONCESSIONS
FROM McCARTHY IN AN ATTEMPT TO
GET TO 218.
HE LOWERED THE THRESHOLD OF THE
VOTES REQUIRED TO GET TO THE
PROCESS OF REMOVING HIMSELF AS
SPEAKER, JUST ONE PERSON, ONE
MEMBER OF THE CONFERENCE CAN DO
IT NOW.
AND TO KEEP -- HE AGREED TO KEEP
HIS OWN PACK OUT OF GOP
PRIMARIES AND TO ADD MORE
FREEDOM CAUCUS MEMBERS TO THE
HOUSE RULES COMMITTEE.
AND I UNDERSTAND, HE ALSO SIGNED
ON TO A SEPARATE APPROVAL
PROCESS FOR EARMARKS AND ALLOWED
FLOOR VOTES ON TERM LIMITS FOR
MEMBERS AND SPECIFIC BORDER
POLICY LEGISLATION. WHAT ELSE DO YOU REQUIRE THAT HE
WHAT ELSE DO YOU REQUIRE THAT HE
DO OR AGREE TO BEFORE MATT GAETZ
WILL SAY, OKAY, I’M ONBOARD.
>> I WOULDN’T LOOK FOR MY VOTE
ANY TIME.
>> Laura:: THAT’S PERSONAL.
YOU MADE THIS PRINCIPLED POINT.
YOU CAN’T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.
YOU CAN’T SAY, I’M A MAN OF
PRINCIPLE AND I BELIEVE IN X, Y,
AND Z, AND IF HE GIVES ME X, Y,
AND Z, WHAT?
HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
>> HERE’S HOW IT MAKES SENSE.
HE’S THE MASTHEAD OF THE LOBBY
CORE.
I RESENT TO WHICH KEVIN McCARTHY
UTILIZES THE LOBBYISTS AND THE
SPECIAL INTERESTS TO BE ABLE TO
DICTATE HOW POLITICAL DECISIONS
ARE MADE.
HOW POLICY DECISIONS ARE MADE,
HOW LEADERSHIP DECISIONS ARE
MADE.
KEVIN McCARTHY HAS BEEN IN THE
LEADERSHIP FOR 14 YEARS.
HE’S SOLD SHARES OF HIMSELF TO
SPECIAL INTERESTS, TO POLITICAL
ACTION COMMITTEES, AND THAT’S
WHY I DON’T THINK HE’S RIGHT.
>> Laura:: WHY IS TRUMP --
>> WHY IS THAT?
>> Laura:: YOU’RE CLOSE TO
PRESIDENT TRUMP?
WHY IS TRUMP FOR HIM?
HOW MANY POSTS ON TRUTH SOCIAL
CAN WE SEE FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP
TELLING Y’ALL, THIS HAS BEEN
FUN, BUT LET’S WRAP IT UP HERE.
>> I LOVE PRESIDENT TRUMP, I --
>> Laura:: IS HE WRONG?
>> I LOVE PRESIDENT TRUMP, I
DEFENDED HIM A GREAT DEAL IN
CONGRESS.
BUT HR WASN’T ALWAYS HIS STRONG
SUIT.
PRESIDENT TRUMP GOT US FOLKS
LIKE JEFF SESSIONS AND BILL BARR
AND JIM MAT ’TIS AND MARK ESPER.
THEY DIDN’T GET US AMERICA FIRST
POLICY.
>> Laura:: YOU THINK HE’S WRONG
ON THIS.
>> I THINK HE’S WRONG IF HE
SUPPORTS McCARTHY.
I’LL SUPPORT PRESIDENT TRUMP IF
HE RUNS FOR ELECTION IN 2024 BUT
I’M NOT GOING TO BACK HIM ON
THIS PLAY.
>> Laura:: ARE YOU GOING TO BE
OKAY, CONGRESSMAN, WOULD YOU BE
OKAY IF THERE’S A DEAL STRUCK
WITH MODERATE DEMOCRATS THAT
GIVE DEMOCRATS CO-CONTROL OF THE
COMMITTEES.
YOU’RE FINE WITH THAT?
>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.
THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN.
THERE’S TWO POTENTIAL SCENARIOS
HERE.
I’M ON THE FLOOR.
THESE 212 DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO
VOTE FOR HAKEEM JEFFRIES EVERY
SINGLE TIME.
HE’S AN HISTORIC CANDIDATE.
THEY’RE NOT GOING TO CLEAVE OFF.
IF DEMOCRATS JOIN UP TO ELECT A
MODERATE REPUBLICAN, I WILL
RESIGN.
>> Laura:: OKAY.
OKAY, STEVE SCALESE OKAY FOR
YOU?
>> WELL, THERE’S TWO -- IT
DEPENDS ON IF HE WOULD ACCEPT
THESE RULES.
WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT
DISCUSSION.
SO FAR HE HAS NOT INDICATED HE
WOULD RUN.
I WOULD PREFER JIM JORDAN.
IF KEVIN McCARTHY PULLS OUT OF
THE RACE.
>> Laura:: YOU DON’T HAVE THE
VOTES.
>> I DO EXPECT HIM TO CAMPAIGN.
HE HADN’T RUNNING YET.
IF KEVIN McCARTHY GOT IN THE
RACE, JIM JORDAN WOULD GET INTO
IT AND I BELIEVE HE WOULD WIN
AND INVIGORATE OUR MOVEMENT.
HE’S BROADLY TRUSTED IN EVERY
CORNER OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
AND WITH A LOT OF OUR DONORS AND
SUPPORTERS AND ACTIVISTS.
THAT’S THE TYPE OF OPTION IF
McCARTHY BOWS OUT.
IF HE DOESN’T BOW OUT, HE’LL
HAVE TO LIVE THE ENTIRETY OF HIS
SPEAKERSHIP IN A STRAITJACKET
CONSTRUCTED BY THE RULES THAT
WE’RE WORKING ON NOW.
>> Laura:: YOU PREFER A SPEAKER
WITH A STRAITJACKET THAN ONE WHO
YOU BELIEVE IS JUST A
SPEND-OH-RAMA.
>> IF IT’S KEVIN McCARTHY.
IF IT’S JIM JORDAN, WE WOULDN’T
NEED THAT.
WE TRUST JIM JORDAN.
THERE’S ZERO TRUST IN McCARTHY.
THERE’S A LARGE BODY OF WORK TO
EVALUATE.
CONTINUED VOTING FOR BIG
SPENDING BILLS, SUPPORT OF
AMNESTY, THE REFUSAL TO JOIN US
TO BREAK UP BIG TECH.
THIS IS SOMETHING WHOSE COMPASS
IS LIKE A WET FINGER IN THE
WIND.
>> Laura:: GOING TO BE WATCHING