[Confused Guy] —Qur'ān is a book of miracle only because
there are of repeating stories, like more than
50% is the stories only.
Same story.
[Hashim] Yeah, I asked you, "What's your problem with miracles?"
[Hashim] What is wrong with—
Do you think it's impossible for miracles to happen
if there is a Creator?
[Confused Guy] But miracles don't happen in 21st century.
That's the problem.
It happens in old times when there was no technology.
[Hashim] Let me explain this to you.
Do you have consciousness?
[Confused Guy] Yes.
[Hashim] Can you show me that with empirical evidence?
[Confused Guy] No.
[Hashim] Why?
Is that a miracle?
[Confused Guy] Yeah, I don't know.
Like we haven't scientifically discover it yet.
I don't know whether to call miracle or lack of understanding.
[Hashim] If you don't have empirical evidence
for the most fundamental thing in you
your consciousness, you know—
The fact that you're asking us these questions.
The fact that you can think logically, rationally, yes?
It shows that—that is a miracle, isn't it?
You don't find this in inanimate objects like a rock.
[Confused Guy] Uh-huh, yeah.
[Hashim] I would consider that to be a miracle
cause even science can't explain it.
To this day, all the scientists
none of them have an empirical evidence.
That's why it's called the
hard problem of consciousness.
So without an explanation—sorry, without empirical evidence,
they are able to believe this by faith.
It's faith, basically.
That's what it is.
Because the thing is you have to.
Because without it—
[Mansur] I just want to add something here
Confused Guy, if I may.
It looks like some of the things you read the Qur'ān and
you had some kind of preconceived, you know,
some criteria of what makes sense to you, what's not.
Take the example of Solomon speaking to the ants.
Solomon alaihissalam speaking to the ants.
You think, "How is it possible?"
I have a phone that speaks.
I mean, think if you went there a thousand years ago
and spoke to someone that, you know
there's a piece of like a brick or something, that speaks.
You know you will be exactly in the same
position there, like you are now you would think,
"How can it speaks?"
"It cannot speak."
"It doesn't make any sense."
Now you know, the ants have communication systems
and there are sounds that you can hear as well within them.
Obviously they don't speak in English or in Arabic,
but they have their own sounds.
If Allāh gave the ability to His prophet and messenger
to understand the speech of other creation,
why would that be even unreasonable, illogical or irrational?
That makes perfect sense that these are communication
systems, methods that you and I may not
have the technology to decipher, technology to understand.
I mean, if you don't know how to make acoustic
sounds from a piece of metal or plastic, of course
you wouldn't have any clue on how this piece can
actually speak or even record pictures and moving images.
So your particular criteria that you have in terms
of how you filter what you call mythology against true,
I think you need to revisit it.
Take the example you mentioned about ’Isrā’ and Miʿrāj
about the prophet's traveling from one place to the other,
from Makkah to Al-Quds, Jerusalem
and from Jerusalem in outer space.
Now, today we understand and appreciate
how time is so relative.
And we can depending on how we—
how fast we travel, we can travel fast
you know, depending—if you are on a Concorde
or if you are on a—just like a cart run by a horse.
The speed that you will travel will determine
how fast you go and come back and so on.
So time is quite relative.
And now we appreciate—
We are even thinking now of time traveling because of
some paradox associated with time travelling
We are saying there's a logical difficulty
and impossibility or improbability of it.
But the idea is still there that you can actually
travel quite fast enough from one place to the other.
In fact, the whole idea of transportation from
one place to another, that your own atoms.
You've heard of films like Star Trek and others
where they beam from one place to the other.
These are no longer science fiction.
People are actually writing up and investigating
and how we can actually transfer one particular electron
from one place to the other without moving it.
It's just transformation.
Science is coming to that step
yet, because you have some kind of paradigms,
you're saying these are mythology.
If you look at the Qur'ānic examples, all of these things,
you know science would not say these are irrational.
These are tools that we may not have at
our disposal yet to understand how things are or
the laws that operates within a natural world.
We haven't discovered them.
That's why we call them supernatural.
Laws which are not part of this natural world in our understanding,
but they operate within this natural world with the
set of laws that we are not familiar with.
Take the example of Ibrahim alaihissalam and Nimrod, or Namrud,
where when he was—prophet Ibrahim was thrown
into the fire, the fire didn't burn.
But of course we know the natural
law of fire is to burn.
But there's something else that prevented Ibrahim alaihissalam
from being burned from that fire because there was
another set of law that became in operation.
It is not unscientific.
It's just like suspending one set
of natural law for another.
It's something that we are getting to
know more and more and more.
Sometimes you see stones so warm you can actually
cook with it and there is no fire.
And yet it generates ston—it generates heat.
A lot of things that we are now
unraveling in terms of our natural laws and
wonders from this, then our understanding of all
this phenomena becomes clearer and clearer and clearer.
They're miraculous to us now because
we don't understand all the other laws
that are operating within it.
And that's why we say they defy our natural laws
because these extra natural laws are not known to us.
They operate by God's commands and
we are not privy to those.
That is probably why you are saying
these are mythologies rather than facts and history.